Integrated Risk Management (IRM) is repeatedly underfunded for a structural reason: leaders keep forcing IRM into an ROI construct that demands a single, auditable chain of causality, while IRM is designed to distribute value across multiple domains at once. In this episode, Ori Wellington and Sam Jones explain why ROI framing collapses into assumption-stacked narrative under CFO scrutiny, and why risk leaders need a finance-compatible alternative that remains decision-grade.

The episode’s answer is a disciplined shift: evaluate IRM with cost/benefit analysis, and label the benefit streams as dividends. Dividends are distributed outcomes that improve enterprise performance and resilience without requiring false precision in a single attributable cash-flow line.